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Topic Afghanistan is not Vietnam and the US is not the USSR

Abbas Daiyar: Comparisons between the Afghanistan conflict and the Vietnam war are completely unfounded as they have little in common. Obama has no choice but to agree to General McChrystal’s request of sending more troops into Afghanistan.

The US entered Afghanistan under the guise of “Operation Enduring Freedom” on October 8, 2001 following 9/11. This means it is more than 8 years since the war began. As a friend of mine noted, “it took the US less time to defeat Japan and Germany in World War II than it has so far taken to subdue the Taliban in Afghanistan.” As we pass the eighth anniversary of the war, there seems to be clear differences of opinion within the US government over the strategy to use whilst responding to the increasingly sophisticated Taliban insurgency. The initial aims of the war were to remove the Taliban from power and destroy their organization, which both supported and facilitated Al-Qaeda's attacks on New York and the Pentagon. But the reality is that this is taking longer than the entire length of World War II.

Although the war started with overwhelming public support in the US, favor has slowly ebbed away. With surging casualties some American pundits and media sources have started calling the campaign in Afghanistan 'Obama's Vietnam,' US military commanders on the ground are demanding more troops, as in the late 60's and early 70's in Vietnam, whilst public approval is waning. However, there is one huge difference: Afghanistan is not Vietnam. This time the US military leadership and strategy is better and the cause is very different. Vietnam was more of an ideological war caught up in the context of the Cold War but Afghanistan is a war of necessity against those who have terrorized innocent people. By calling it 'Obama's Vietnam,' Western pundits fail to recognize the successes of the last eight years. Although Osama Bin Laden and Mullah Omer have not yet been arrested, the Al-Qaeda network has been dismantled fairly effectively with many of its senior members killed. Despite Al-Qaeda's stated desire to launch a major attack, it has not not struck against the West in four years.

Critics are also increasingly drawing similarities between the current situation and the action the USSR took in Afghanistan during the 80's. For those reading the headlines thousands of miles away it seems terrible. However, for those Afghan's with dreadful memories of three decades of war – the bloody Soviet occupation followed by the brutal era of the Taliban – it is far better now. Over 1 million Afghans were killed by the Soviet forces whilst around 5 million fled the country. Afghans became the largest refugee diaspora in the world during the 1980s with over 1.2 million people, including children and women, displaced. Initially, the entire population resisted the invasion, but today the resistance is led by a small ethnic minorities who lack mass support. These small groups fight against a UN-mandated International Security Assistance Force (ISAF), composed of troops from 42 different countries including 28 NATO members. Also it must be considered that during the Soviet invasion the entire infrastructure was destroyed but over the last 8 years Afghanistan has had the kind of development in its economy, infrastructure and governance that it has lacked over the last two centuries. The country has never experienced a peaceful transition of power but today we have a democratic government selected by popular vote and an elected parliament. We also have an Afghan army of 90,000 troops and a similar number of police. Right after the Soviet withdrawal these were totally destroyed.

Today, the war in Afghanistan is at a historic juncture. At this crucial stage President Obama is set to take a risky decision. He has to decide between sending more troops in line with General McChrystal's demand or to reduce forces in accordance with an exit strategy. With the controversial election situation in Kabul, the White House is now re-evaluating its strategy and Obama is stuck with a dilemma. As Henry Kissinger says “if he refuses the recommendation and General McChrystal's argument that his forces are inadequate for the mission, Obama will be blamed for the dramatic consequences. If he accepts the recommendation, his opponents may come to describe it, at least in part, as Obama's war.”

President Obama has no other policy option than to acquiesce to Gen. McChrystal's request. With a range of voices all calling for different priorities, such as a focused targeting of Al-Qaeda leadership or negotiating with the Taliban, many forget that a sophisticated comeback will only be possible with Al-Qaeda funding. Tahir Yaldosh and the many other leaders killed in the tribal areas of Pakistan were the ones who made the Taliban revival possible through a considerable increase in the insurgency. Negotiating with the Taliban will never be a viable policy option. Any separation between the Taliban and Al-Qaeda is only temporary and the West must quickly realize that Afghanistan could easily become the home for international terrorists once again.

Abbas Daiyar is a Kabul-based journalist writing for Daily Outlook Afghanistan, where he is an editorial board member.

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October 21, 2009

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Thanks for this article, Abbas.

I hope Obama is listening to you, because apparently he is reading the wrong book on Vietnam right now:

"White House watchers have been abuzz for the last two weeks with news that U.S. President Barack Obama and his top advisors are reading Gordon Goldstein's book, Lessons in Disaster: McGeorge Bundy and the Path to War in Vietnam. The White House has rightly been commended for looking back to lessons past, for all great wartime leaders have been keen students of history. But the choice of Goldstein's book is most unfortunate because its history is flawed and its recommendations are consequently dangerous."
 
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October 21, 2009

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Let us say that the NATO forces withdraw from Afghanistan. That would leave merely the US forces there (the british are welcome to be a part of that ). That would be some comparison between Soviet Union's presence in Afghanistan and that of what keeps on being mentioned as the US presence.
If as an experiment, the NATO forces withdraw from Afghanistan for about three months - we can then speak of it as a US operation. It is not. That is my point of disagreement and yes - also a suggestion to further correct the situation when comparisons are made. But one sure hopes that commentators do not overlook the very crucial roles played by NATO forces - of which Russia too is now a part.
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October 21, 2009

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Thinking we can win a war agains an enemy without uniform is crazy. Our enemies walk those streets everyday disguised as civilians or peasants and place the bombs to kill our soldiers whenever they want. We have a war here against unemployment, uninsured and lack of good schools. The cost of war is not only measured in lives but in the money we need to support thousand of troops and help the country we are in. We need to put those billions going out of the country here to work, beef up our intelligence (who can't still found Osama Bin Laden) and get out of Afghanistan letting them defend their country with our training and support. If the people in Afghanistan wan a free country, lets help them fight for it!
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October 21, 2009

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Certainlny, Afghanistan is not Vietnam, and the US is not the USSR..........
It is rather Afghanistan and the US, or in very simple terms, a "useful" friendship
that turned sour.....
In Afghanistan, prior to the Russian invasion, the PDPA or ( the Democratic Party of
Afghanistan) invited the USSR to assist in modernizing its economic infrastructure,
mainly exploration and mining of minerals and natural gas. The USSR also sent contractors to build hospitals, roads and schools and to drill water wells.
They also trained and equipped the Afghan army, And after the establishment of the DRA
( Democratic Republic of Afghanistan) promised aid amounting to about 1,26 billion $.
Closely connected was " the Plight of the Afghan Woman" , her standing within a society, possibly measured relativ to men.
Here the famous editorial of the New Kabul Times of 1978 should be of interest:
" Priviliges which women, by right, must have are equal education, job security, health servies and free time to rear a healthy generation for building the future of the country...
educating and enlightning women is now the subject of close government attention.."
As a matter of fact, in October of 1978, decree was issued for compulsary education for
girls, bride price was abolished and the minimum age for marriage for girls was set at 16.
In 1965 the DOAW, the Democratic Organization of Afghan Women was formed, in 1964, the contituiton gave woman the right to vote, in 1959, women were allowed to unveil, in 1941, the first female secondary school was estabished in Kabul.............
However the secular nature of the government made it unpopular with conservative Afghans in the villages and the countryside who favored traditionalist " Islamic"
restricitons on women's rights and in daily life. Many groups, led by members of the
traditional establishment were formed, some of them resorting to violence and sabotage to the country's infrastructure and industry. under the umbrella of Mujahideen, or " Holy Muslim Worriors". For over nine years the Soviet Army conducted military operations
against the Afghan Mujahideen rebels.
The American CIA, Pakistan and Saudi Arabia assisted in the financing of the resistance
also because of the anti-communist stance.
Among the foreign participants in the war was Osama bin Laden, whose MAK
( maktab al-Khidamat) ( Office of Order) organization trained a small number of mujahideen and provided some arms and funds to fight the Soiviets. Around 1988
MAK broke away from the Mujahideen to expand the anti-Soviet resistance effort into
a world-wide Islamic fundamentalist movement.
The Soviets withdrew its troops in February of 1989, but continued aid to the government
led by Mohammed Najibullah. Massive amunts of aid from the CIA and Saudi Arabia to the Mujahideen also continued.
It was another"Great Game" of idoelogies this time at the expense of the people of Afghanistan.
While some want to triumph and win, others just prevail for centuries to come.
So, China's idea of managing conflicts through the instutionalizing of cooperation, while focusing on domestic concerns might have some merits..........
" Italy's more practical solution for its military in Afghanistan" may put reality to the problem
of trying to " win the unwinable"......


HRF

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October 22, 2009

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[ As a friend of mine noted, “it took the US less time to defeat Japan and Germany in World War II than it has so far taken to subdue the Taliban in Afghanistan.” ]

US never defeated Germany. USSR did it. USA got involved in the WW2, when Germans had already broken down by Russians. At that time, it was clear that Germans wouldn't fight for a long time. US came to divide a German-pie when Russians done most part of hard war-job. Stop didtort the history about WW2 !!!
 
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October 23, 2009

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Dear Abbas,
as far as you are concerned, it's right to not negotiate taliban. but i am sure that if they negotiate with taliban and give them place in government, convence them to take part in the government, i can assure that there would be peace and there will not be any insurgency.
Obama has declared that taliban are growing economically and al-qaida has weakend financially. it means that Taliban are not going to resign from WAR. so, the fair and good way to solve the security problems in afghanistan, they have to talk with taliban and they have to reconcile the issues mutually.
 
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October 24, 2009

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Unfortunately, the US will redefine victory, cut and then run. Eight years and then some of trying to shoehorn the Afghanistan situation into Galula's doctrine of counterinsurgency should be sufficient enough for the honest observer to realize that the 'hearts and minds' strategy is not one with ubiquitous applicability. The previous and current administrations have grossly misjudged the situation in Afghanistan and their ability to gain any degree of broad tactical victory based on the utilization of extant methods of so-called warfare. The current situation, however, was readily predictable and readily predicted by various Salafi ideologists such as Abu Musab Al-Suri, Abu Bakr Nadji, Dr. Ayeman Al Zawahiri and others. Perhaps there was something rather obvious, in regards to a weakness in modern Western warfighting that they were able to readily discern that those in the West were not?

The US has only compounded its mistakes in the region by fostering and now having to support that which amounts to be little more than a puppet government. This headlong and blind rush into attempting to create an illusion of legitimacy, secondary to 'spreading democracy' was a clear misjudgment at the time, as it related to understanding the geopolitical history of the region and has only crystallized further since that time.

The one point that I do agree with the author on is that negotiating with the Taliban is not a viable option. One need but only but look at the strict Salafi view of democracy as a 'kuffar' innovation to realize that there is no prima facie basis for suggesting that negotiating with the Taliban, as a mechanism to bring about a political solution, would be successful.
 
fizza  sajjad

October 24, 2009

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There is a need of lot of thinking on the part of American policy makers, the need to take a good reality check of the ground situation.Situation is getting worse with every passing day.The stability of the whole region is on stake.What needs to be done here by American administration and i will preferably include Pakistani administration here is that to include taliban and people in the north western part to pe a part of the solution. Taliban are the residents of that place and historically they have proved how resistent they are towards the foriegn invaders, that is their land, they have their own culture, you can't finish the whole race like that. The path which Obama want to follow is full of risk, it is highly doubted that more troops will change the situation. The fight on the ground is not ideological anymore it is more on the basis economic instabilty faced by these people.As said by Col. Tom Collins, the top Pentagon spokesman in Afghanistan "There is a low percentage of the total Taliban force who we would call ideologically driven. We refer to them as Tier 1 people who believe their ideology, that what they're doing is right. The vast majority of Taliban fighters are essentially economically disadvantaged young men." More and more people will join them if efforts are not put in to include people who do not belong to the radical group in the economic circle. But on the other hand this fact cannot be exluded that this radical group tends to impose a strong influence on the people of this region. So it will be a Status quo all in all with Obama consistent on sending more troops.
 
John  Hadjisky

October 27, 2009

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@Jesus Tap:

"beef up our intelligence (who can't still found Osama Bin Laden) and get out of Afghanistan"

What exactly does 'beef up our intelligence' mean? How do we do that?

Our technical methods (satellites, signal intercepts, etc.) are not enough, because they have difficulty telling insurgent from civilian (it is hard to read someone's intent from space) and also because of information overload -- if we monitor every movement and signal in a large region, there is no way to efficiently separate what is important from what is not.

Traditional spying methods are designed to infiltrate a nation-state, not a decentralized, cellular movement. Also, they take years or decades to show results. Worse, they often fail. The CIA and other Western spy agencies failed spectacularly to detect the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, the collapse of the Berlin Wall and the Soviet Empire, the seriousness of the threat of al Quaeda and its brother organizations, and...the list goes on.

A critically important thing to understand about the COIN (Counter-insurgency) strategy announced in March for Afghanistan is, COIN is the best strategy for gaining quality intel in that difficult region. Instead of deploying 100's or 1000's of analysts, only a few of which have the needed language skills, fewer still with a feel for the culture, and fewer still who we dare risk in the field, COIN distributes this task to the people who actually live in the region. They generally know who the bad guys are and what their plans are, before traditional intelligence agencies even get out of bed in the morning. COIN aligns the people's interest in living unmolested with ISAF's interest in discrediting and defeating al Quaeda and the Taleban and their brother organizations.

COIN has emerged as the preferred intel tool in this conflict. Some would say it is the only real intel tool...and it has other, compelling benefits, such as directly helping the people who are suffering most, and creating conditions in which future nation-states are less likely to fail.

"Beefing up our intel" sounds a bit like what many in the COIN community are calling the "magic ninja" plan. The problem is, these magic ninjas don't exist!

http://www.blackfive.net/main/2009/09/obama-considering-magic-ninja...
 
John  Hadjisky

October 27, 2009

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@G.D.Khan:

Yes, at some point it will be necessary to negotiate with certain elements of the Taliban, once our intel becomes sufficient to tell the difference between Taliban who are negotiating in good faith and Taliban who are exploiting or sabotaging negotiations. Another way to think of this difference is, some joined the Taliban for survival or for power, others joined for ideological reasons.

@Everyone interested in COIN:

Some more reading:

'NATO Has the Watches, We Have the Time'
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704335904574497120548...
 
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November 3, 2009

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“Afghanistan is not Vietnam and the US is not the USSR” constitutes a rather broad and possibly eternal black hole for debate. Neither is Afghanistan Germany ’45, as one might speculate thinking as Mr. Daiyer’s might see in the US-Afghanistan dynamic, and if correct, think instead England-IRA as US-Afghanistan, only without the British legal legitimacy for military presence in Northern Ireland.

He is correct however in saying “President Obama has no other policy option than to acquiesce to Gen. McChrystal's request” for more troops and greater US involvement in Afghanistan – although for a wholly different reason.

Sanity would take the opposite course and resist and then deny the four-star’s demand turned insubordinate as made in the public forum; however, the president does not command the military industrial complex colossus as much as serve it, thus obeying their self-serving mandate to feed the machine. It’s the least risky path for pols, as well as the most continually profitable for scholars to take.

Luis de Agustin
 

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